No offense, but -
I'm dissapointed that you felt you had to post this on the NEXTerra board (telling us you cross posted this onto the UYNX board) but didn't inform us that you also posted this in the rarely used and rarely viewed by members NEXterra Forum on XOC.
As I posted on the XOC forum:
In order to clear a few things up for those on the National XOC board who read this thread:
We were aware about the water crossing at the end of the trail (or beggining, depending on which direction you decide to run it in). Thus No one in our group went through the water pit.
Posting about that in the way you did here makes it sound as if we ran through that water pit, which we did not.
It's been openly posted about on a couple of websites
Such as the Patriot Jeepers website... Yet curiously, the NEA4WD.org website requires you to be a paying member in order to view technical information like this...so we were aware about the water pit issue. Curiously, the by-pass issue you have brought up - I haven't found a solid reference to them being illegal on any other wheeling board.
Although a website listed as Jeeptech
http://www.jeeptech.com/~txh3202/trail/florida.html wrote about issues with OFR during a Old Colony Four Wheel Drive club:
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I spent the morning of the my second day of wheeling with Old Colony Four Wheel Drive Club doing trail maintenance. This wasn't planned trail maintenance, it turned out that the owner of the freshly graded trail that we drove down the day before, wasn't too happy about the ruts we put in his driveway. We didn't know it was private property (no sign or chain) and it turned the real trail paralleled his "driveway".
It is not clear if they meant the bypasses or some other area parrallel or near OFR. It does seem from that post that the "landowner" doesn't actually own the land that was in question on that day, from what was written.
Do a search on Google for Old Florida Road - you'll find some interetsing things.
To rehash a few things posted on the
NEXTerra board:
Determining the legality of certain places has become a pain in the ass at times, especially when some groups will give misinformation to prevent others from using those trails (older members of this club were told of a trail being shut down and closed permanently - which I have learned was not entirely true).
And while it would be nice for landowners or the state to post "no tresspassing - private property" signs - They don't really have to, which sucks...somehow I don't understand how that doesn't get to be counted as entrapment.
(The "We know they shouldn't be there or be doing that, but nobody bothered to tell them before arresting them" syndrome)
I understand not giving out trail info to people who are not members - but that hurts the sport, because those who don't know that a bypass off a trail isn't legal can cause problems for everybody.
Making that kind of info more readily availible helps everyone.
As RIXterra pointed out to you in the NEXTerra discussion
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I was browsing over at the NEA4WD.com forums and found this simple statement made by not just a member but somone in the committee.
"Check out Old Florida Road in MA. That is one that's still open and pretty fun."
And not once did he say anything to the guy asking about trails,to make sure he stays on the trails and run the ledges and not the bypasses.So I mean now if we did a quick search (just like I did) and found info like that it makes it a little miss-leading.
Here's a link to the full disscussion.
http://forum.nea4wd.org/viewtopic.php?t=612 For those of you who haven't been on the NEXTerra board to follow this thread, it has been brought up there (and by Spalind on the XOC forum) that Freedom Trail Riders did run a set of powerlines recently that we know Derek ran.
Freedom Trail Riders on Gutter "Road" It is generally accepted that powerlines are private property and therefore would be illegal
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but in regards to Dereks post about OFR....looks like a case of the pot calling the kettle black....Last time I checked power line trails are private property and I doubt they were carrying permission slips from Boston Electric or whoevers power lines were running over the top in those pics...
Honestly, I just think it's fair for the information to be presented in the proper way. The way you presented it on XOC, NEXTerra and here makes it sound as if our group went out and knowingly tore through sensative terrain (which we did not), and that all of this information is widely availible and well known (which it is apparently also not).